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| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-20-2000 01:46 PM
I currently thought of a great idea and decided to post it for the benefit of the hive, and all it members who are interested in testing this idea. I will be dreaming of this idea very shortly, I promise to do a complete post of my results. My idea is to use the same amount of reagents and catalyst. But instead of pressurizing with bike pump, either use p-Bezoquinone (what I personally reccomend because of past dreams)or use 30% hydrogen peroxide (never had a dream using this reagent), and using like 5 2-L bottles to get awesome returns in something-that-couldn't-be-ketone. The catch here is to put everything in a blanket or something else that will help agitate the bottles, and throw that shit in the dryer. Yup- Right next to the wash machine.Remember girls this idea is still theoretical, but will be attempted soon by Somebody Who Isn't Me. If this idea works you can bet I'll do a complete post and put it in here and the NewBee post (if appropriate for both forums). I've personally know all about B-Wacker, and it works.Theoretically this should work to, especially since Spiceboy didn't use constant agitation, and we all know the capabilities of our dryers. P-Bezoquinone is an excellent source for oxygen, remember when using it go ahead and substitute MeOH for DMF, it's much easier to source, and you dont need to use Cuprous Chloride (thank god, Bankrobber don't like that shit). Best thing of all is even if you dont have a dryer(which I know you do) just fill up those bottles and take em' down to the laundromat (yikes! the floodgates to NOT-ketone are wide open). Let's see the DEA schedule all dryers on the Schedule 2 list.Oh and folks,"if the cops come a knockin' your dryer ain't talkin". Watch out, Be safe! I'll be posting again in the near future about this subject. Oh and one last thing Rhodium or anybody please I know this probably isn't the place but please answer my question in Aquisition Discourse Forum that I posted today, and excuse the mispelling (first post) and messed up signature on the bottom of that post. Thanks for your time, Bankrobber! ------------------ |
| Chromic Hive Bee |
posted 01-20-2000 05:53 PM
What? So your whole idea is to use a dryer to stir a p-benzoquinone rxn? Why not use a stir bar? |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-20-2000 09:45 PM
Thank You for your reply chromic, it's nice to know somebody reads my dream interpretations. Now for my personal reply, when you do the Spiceboy SRV reaction you use 2-L Coke bottles, and you are required to shake yourself, depending on how well and long you shake that can become quite tiring, and if it ain't good enough ain't no reaction going down. Plus you only have two hands, now if you were to have appropriate sized dryer you can toss in like ten of those bottles together, they will bounce around, mix, and assist each other in effective agitation(still theoretical, have a feelin' I'll be seeing this in a dream though). ------------------ |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-20-2000 10:01 PM
I'm sorry but I ran out of room on first reply and didn't know how to continue. If you do 10 1l coke bottles at 200G not-safrole per bottle, thats a 2000g notanythingillegal reaction going down in something as simple as a dryer. Many of us dont have the equipment on hand to do the big reactions that we wish we could do at once. If this works you would not have to do as many reactions to get same size result, plus the dryer is quite capable I theorize of handling the job. Anyways use your idea or mine, after all it's all about having choices and ideas on hand . I don't expect this idea to go prime time but I thought it was worthy of passing on to the hive. ------------------ |
| equarius Hive Bee |
posted 01-20-2000 11:21 PM
I would wait (if I were you) until you're an experienced successful bee before attempting modified / experimental procedures.. or be doomed to failures. The SRV is a pressure vessel and the benzo wacker has no nead for pressure so it should be done with just stirring. Secondly, H2O2 will NOT work. Thirdly, all reactions have different ratios and conditions. ie. you can't simply replace one oxygen source for another while holding other variables constant and expect it to work. I could go on but I don't mean to get you down. Nice ideas but they won't work. |
| equarius Hive Bee |
posted 01-20-2000 11:24 PM
Actually the benzo wacker in a SRV in a dryer would probably work but then you lose temp control and visual cues as to reaction progress. In short its added complexity with no benefits. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 12:48 AM
I enjoyed your post and you could be correct.But from my personal experience w/ B- Wacker on legal reagent temp. control monitoring isn't necessary, simply stired for seven hours, exothermic heat gone within four hours(maybe done by then,but run for seven anyways!). Works everytime w/ magnetic stiring, if you use a certain cycle of dryer thats to get rinkles out of clothes no heat will be generated from dryer(already checked this out) and from personal exp. w/ B-Wacker temp. isn't concern because it doesn't get past 60c for me(done 8 consecutive times,no problems). And do you know of the potential of filling up 12 2L Coke bottles each with 200G not-safrole, if it worked the madness! |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 01:02 AM
I only this reposted for the benefit of hive: Equarius could very well be right about that Hydrogen Peroxide (30-35%) thing, for I have no dreams of using it as an oxygen source. So fellow bees if you ever try this stick w/ P-Benzoquinone. After I get this Urishibara thing down, I will yonder the 10 2L Coke bottle b-Wacker thing and will find out once and for all.All my results will be posted. Oh last but not least, THIS WILL BE TRIED ON LEGAL REAGENTS, I don't personally encourage illegal activities. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 02:30 AM
I forgot to post: Yes Equarius the SRV is a pressurized reaction vessel, but if you substitute p-bezoquinone for tire-air pump no need for pressure, in fact i'm willing to bet(because of the personal exp. I have) that using the dryer is just as effective as my past dreams using legal reagents w/ magnetic stiring.And yes, all different reactions have different ratiios, this one is 700 ml. MeOH, 100 ml. DH2O, 216g p-Benzoquinone, 3.6 PdCl2(recomended:let 3.6PdCl2 and MeOH shake/mix in vessel at least 2 hours prior to addition of other reagents). Then add 320 G. not-safrole, slower better because of heating during addition, but honestly I've never had any problems w/ addition, just keep at least 1 eye open during addition, and you'll do just fine. Fill all 2L bottles to similar volume of Spiceboy SRV (pour more if enough room available,ie experiment). I think this will work 200G per bottle not safrole(or just reduce mixture to whatever 2L will contain x 10-15 bottles = major- NothingIllegal-notKetone |
| scwam Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 11:40 AM
I met a really hot chick the other day at the laundrymat (even though I have my own drier, the mat is a hip place to date) and she is using this method your talking of with 02 KRV and finds it hard to imagine anything more than 2 or 3 of those bottle in any dryer at one time. I think the original idea of this was from sunlight or sparkle a while back. The best way that this girl told me to do this was to put the KRV in a polyester pillow so the its protected completly (cutting a slit down the middle of the pillow). If you have this under any pressure you have to make sure that you protect the valve with a pvc pipe duct taped to the cap. This girl said she didn't do this once and the bottle being under pressure gave way because of the constant bending of the valve releasing pure 02, MeOH and catylist. It was one of those old gas dryers and well, of course as soon as that happened the whole laundrymat blew up. Bee careful |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 01:01 PM
I beleive if you do this w/p-Benzoquinone it will create no excess pressure. Last time doing reaction put aluminum foil over top of flask. I put it on very tightly, came back 7 hours later and foil was just as tight. Will personally try soon and give complete write-up. When you say the girl only could do two I believe that to be wrong, I just opened my dryer and know that I would have no problems getting at least 5 2L coke bottles w/ 200g notsafrole per bottle. Hell I think you could maybe do ten, thats what I would do. And the bottles get mixed by dryer w/ no heat from dryer, as well as I'm quite certain that the bottles constantly hitting eachother would definitely assist themselves in effective aggitation. In fact I'm willing to bet that whatever the dryer doesn't handle itself, the bottles agitating themselves will finish off the mixing part quite well. YES I AM WILIING TO BET! And nothing personal Scwam but I have went all through the Hive many of times and never seen this idea, as far as I know I'm the one who thought of it(of course Spiceboy gets credit for coming up with the 2L Coke bottle thing, and Strike and Methyl Man and whoever else contributed before or after get full credit for the p-Benzoquinone thing). But honestly if anyone has ever came up w/ or used the dryer thing before me I have never seen there claims or posts, and I would like to know to give credit were credit is due, but I got a funny feelin' I'm the first! And if I am than NANR! NANR! Early bird catches the worm(just kidding). And once again I want to thank anyone who responds to my posts. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 01:12 PM
Oh and almost forgot you wouldn't want to put bottles in any pillowcase because they wont bounce,hit eachother,and effectively agitate as well. And second, were not pressurizing anything here. The only reason you pressurize is for a source of oxygen for reaction, but in this case the source of OXYGEN comes from p-Benzoquinone. And as far as my personal experience is worth I think that whatever oxygen is created is absorbed so fast that you dont have to worry about any kind of +1 or more pressure being created. And even if it did, (which I wouldn't worry about it girls!) I realy doubt that it will be significant enough to make your bottle bo BOOM! Girls I maybe wrong but if I had to bet my life on it I would say it works, and I would say it like, I MEAN IT! And yes you can do more than two bottles at once. ------------------ |
| r2d3 Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 06:13 PM
Why don't you try to get one method straight in your head. The fact that you'll bet your life doesn't carry a whole lot of weight. The other option is to take your ramblings to the newbee forum where they belong. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 07:40 PM
r2d3 is that were you would rather me bee is in the new bee forum, and never post here,just flat out say it, and I will never post here again. and I will put my actions were my mouth is, I don't need my bets to carry my weight(in fact I'm not much of one to bet beleive it or not, honestly , I just get things done).and I'm simply listing modifications to another method to bring more ideas out into the open, I've always promoted p-benzoquinone as #1 choice for this method(ala Strike's BG wrapper method, except use MeOH instead), I do apologize about the h2o2 recommendation in the begining I previously read about using it, thats were that isolated idea came from and I do apologize, I should've never recommended that reagent without any practical exp. Anyways If You Wish Me Never To Post Here Again I Wont, But All I'll Ever Try To Do Here Is Be Helpful. And I do have plenty of exp., just because I've haven't been a member here long, doesn't mean I haven't been around the block. Please repost to me if I shouldn't ever post here again, and I will vanish.Otherwise I will do my best to benefit everyone here at the hive on any forum necessary. ------------------ |
| equarius Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 09:45 PM
Everything is alright, don't worry. We all like to think of new ideas and thast a good thing but these ideas to have any chance of success (and safetY) must be based on reference or other science and experience. Then that dreamer can make an educated decision to try that reaction then share the results with us. Everything is cool.. your ideas at least show potential, ambition, and the ability to adapt. |
| ChemHack Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 10:38 PM
Yo BankRobber, I'd be really worried about the heat. If it gets hot enough to vaporize any of the MeOH then you've got trouble in a big way. If only 10ml of MeOH are vaporized inside the closed container you've just upped the pressure in that cola bottle to 75PSI and that could be bad news...what if it ws 20ml? OK, flame me if somebody already mentioned this but for some reason I
lost my concentration reading down the thread and anyway... |
| Chromic Hive Bee |
posted 01-21-2000 10:50 PM
BankRobber, get your head screwed on straight dude! You seem to have some knowledge, but wow, your ramblings are almost incoherent. I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed. Most importantly: your idea isn't any different than what's being done here already. You're using the same solvents, reagents, catalysts and precursors... only you're making some minor changes in the equipment. |
| aknalb unregistered |
posted 01-21-2000 11:13 PM
nononono it's not that bad of an idea.. how about the Pdcl2 wacker.. with the dryer spinning with no heat... are you a mechanic? then making the heat not work is easy... pack the stupid drier with bottles.. run this in your CHEAP modified drier after pressurizing with O2... run this for a while.. repressurize when you think it's time.. I don't know.. seems like too much work now that I typed it out.. shit..n/m but good for a cheap big scale prod idea maybe.. nah.. it'll be funner to have evyone in your group go to disneyland with a krv in their bag and riding spacemountain.. |
| Sumerian Hive Bee |
posted 01-22-2000 03:44 AM
And god forbid you BankRobber if you ever post a Methylamine reaction W/90%+ yields that no one had seen.Out of frustration some will call you a liar and flame you behind your back because they can't get it to work for themselves.Welcome to the Hive. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-22-2000 01:35 PM
Sumerian, whats up homeboy, good looking out for a homie.Seriously Sumerian I was within 1 inch of leaving the Hive and you saved me, I promise now that I will never leave and that's all on you. Anytime you need help w/ anything Sumerian and i mean anything, all you have to do is post or e-mail me at princessatr@earthlink.net as soon as I find out I will immediately come to your aid, and i'm am a very resourceful kind of girl w/ practical exp. get in touch anytime.now for an even more serious subject- CHROMIC (yes you mo-fucka) touch base with reality and then get your head screwed on straight.straight up I hope by the end of this you will have learned a good lesson, hopefully after this we can sit at the table together and talk man to man w/ a little bit more of respect.your worries about everything exploding in my idea are futile, I've done many,many,many reactions B-Wacker style w/ only MeOH and know from actual EXPERIENCE that temp. never got high enough to vaporize a sufficient amount of MeOH(1000rpm mag. stirring w/ 2.5inch stir bar, more than enough mixing for reaction to get 70-79% yied every single time, max.temp 55-60c and only stayed very briefly )to cause a worry for new idea, maybe slightest amount of condensation but don't trip.as a young kid on the streets of L.A. County I used to make bombs w/ dry ice in 2L coke bottle(dry ice melting point minus-32D FARENHEIT) for fun and I would put them somewhere and wait for explosion(believe me folks from exp. this took awhile) and know that something that took as long as it did w/ a melting point of -32(somewhere around there) MeOH in this bottle w/ reaction in dryer w/ no heat besides exothermic heat generated wont be exploding anytime soon so there goes one of your ideas.Now for the next part- I need to get my head screwed on straight- fuck that, take this- I will be personally trying out my idea(with all due respect to Spiceboy for ORIGINALLY coming up w/ the 2L Coke bottle thing, and Strike and everybody else for Originally bringing the p-benzoquinone idea to the Hive/Rhodium site). In a week or 2 I will fill up 10 2L Coke bottles w/ 100-200g not-safrole, and conduct MY experiment.YEAH! I'm going to look real stupid Chromic when i get a 70-79% yield of not-ketone from 1500-2000g not-safrole.In fact e-mail me anytime and I can go into detail about different reactions that I've preformed w/ explicit details to all variations temp.variation,colors,smells,fluctuations,time,any thing else you personally had in mind, and if it makes you feel any safer I will promise to not ask questions about reactions you've done(ie. B-Wacker,isomerization of not-safrole,Wolf-Kishner reduction,NaBH3cn reduction, reductive alkylation, performic, reduction of azides w/ stannous chloride, you know things like that) but I have. Go ahead,you think I'm a stupid rambler fire a way with questions, very specific Q's, then well see if I'm for even fucking around. I personally take your post CHROMIC as a challenge and will enjoy seeing the usefullness of my variation of SRV/B-WACKER be put to use by other bees.Maybe when things cool down a bit you will do it yourself for the sheer reason of simplicity. Anyways, I'm an Original from the old school, please only post or e-mail me with criticisms like you've alredy made, if your looking for a challenge to your claims! you thought it wasn't going down ------------------ |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-22-2000 01:57 PM
I meant to say dont post or e-mail me(CHROMIC) with criticisms like you've already made of my thoughts unless you are looking to go toe to toe, not don't post to me if you are looking for a challenge.I messed up right there soory bees. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-22-2000 02:19 PM
YO Chemhack I'm not here to start a war, but if you don't believe me you'll find out to.Until I just looked back I thought Chromic was doing all the talking, now I saw your name. Straight up dude, YOU may think i'm just some idiot, but you'll see that I wasn't fucking around. I do awknowledge your concerns, because it's more professional to criticize or investigate than to assume that somebody's idea works w/ little credibility(I've only been a official member a little longer than 56hrs.) But you'll see.WATCH! I've Been Here I've Been There |
| equarius Hive Bee |
posted 01-22-2000 05:25 PM
This is getting amusing.. Its quite apparent that you are a newbie and might have some experience following BS's (step by step, slowly now) and Methyl Man's wackers, but for some reason you view yourself as a chemgod himself. Need I remind you that these are the easiest oxidations known to the hive. But have you aminated successfully? Obviosly you are just speculating and wishfull thinking, not speaking from XP (fuck peanut oil!!!). You see if something is wrong then it will be debated and eventually come to some consensus (ie. the use of acetone in MeAmine purification and anti-safe explosive procedures). Just try not to hurt yourself ok, and others |
| scwam Hive Bee |
posted 01-23-2000 04:44 PM
BankRobber, Thats funnel because I just posted an improvement to the dry technique a few days (i believe, didn't check) before you posted this. I made a mistake, it was TheCat's (toot your own horn Cat) idea about the dryer mechanism which I think is sweet: http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum4/HTML/000864.html. If your doing this in your own home of course you wouldn't need to use a pillow case to muffle loud sounds. Or a protective PVC tube since for the tire valve since your not pressurizing it. However, one time when the bottle was not left bare to spin in the dryer, the bottle got somehow lodged between the fins of the dryer and the wall causing he whole dryer to lock up. Fortunaly it just pinched the bottle (which at the time had 65PSI) in it and did bust the damn thing open. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-23-2000 04:45 PM
Hey Equarius what's up guy. I don't particulary agree with you, but folks believe whatever you want. If you would have read more carefully you would know that I have already claimed more than a few animations to be under my belt, email me if your looking for specifics, go ahead ask any ? you want about any animatins I've claimed to have done I personally don't mind at all princessatr@earthlink.net. And yes I never claim to have tried anything Xtra hard or out of the oridnary(B-Wacker,STRIKE#1,NaBH3CN#1,azide reduction w/ tin chloride,reductive alkylation) yeah I'd say that's about all that I can vouch for. Anyways I will no longer post any ideas about anything unless I can do a complete write-up of my personal exp. Don't worry folks you'll have you 2L bottle report w/ 2 weeks, maybe sooner and by next week(don't know exactly what day) I'll do a complete write-up on a 200g reductive alkylation w/ industrial metal sheets. After that and my other in the near future contributions(catalytic hydrogenation via platinum oxide/Urushibara catalyst) you can call me whatever you want I don't care. But I'm going to get this whole 2L Coke bottle thing straightened out if it's the last thing I do, and I'm going to have fun dedicating my write-up to the one who truly inspired me, (Chromic) thanks man! Oh Equarius by the way I've never done nor claimed to have done Benzo-Wacker via BS ratios or Methyl Man, nope the only road I've gone down is Strke's ratios via STRIKES Bubble Gum Wrapper Method(except used methanol because I already knew it would work, and better to get than DMF). And your claims of there being of putting myself or any other others in danger is so futile it's not even funny, I probably work in a more appropriate enviornment than most people(if you want I can post picture of work site) and only work alone in the safest of enviornments, but you are right about me not trying any kind of reaction that's to finnicky or touchy, I'm not any kind of CHEMGOD nor do I wish to be, besides that space currently has no vacancy(RHODIUM,OSMIUM,SUNLIGHT,WIZARD,) especially for me.There are to many to name that have knowledge far superior to mine, and that's great, I openly awknowledge this and will at any other time.But at the same token I'm no fool.Take care everybody. |
| scwam Hive Bee |
posted 01-23-2000 04:53 PM
this damn ubb crap: "Topic: Improved O2 take up with wacker/SRV?" Methods Discorse from 3/20/99 Semtex Enigma Ok, my understanding of the wacker rxn is the agitation is used to
create a greater surface area for the O2 to be absourbed(sp?) into the
solution, is this right? If so I think maybe I gots me an idea on how to
very effortlessly and quietly create the needed surface area. Why not pump
up your SRV and place it horizontally on a rock tumbler or similar
aporatous. The spinning action would coat the inner walls of the SRV
greatly increasing the amount of solution which is brought into contact
with the O2. I know that shaking the SRV would create more surface area
than rolling it, but for the lack of effort I think it might be worth
it... Any thoughts? Damn, great minds think alike (humble aren't I), I had a similar idea
recently that I Why not just presurize the SRV then toss it in your drier (you know, the one you put your clothes in), set it to "Air Fluff" (aka no heat), and press start and let it run for about eight minutes, then pull the thing out purge and refill, the through it back in and repeat for two or three hours. If you don't like the idea of letting your vessle bump around all over the place unprotected simply wrap a bath towel or two around it and secure with your ever faithful duct tape. I know that this may not be entirelly practial for thoughs bees that live in apartments or that don't have their own drier as trying this at the local laundry might just be a little suspicious looking. I can just see the bomb squad showing up thinking that you were planning on bombing the place. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-23-2000 05:00 PM
Hey SCWAM what's up dude I appreciate your response to my claim.I tryed to click on the address and it wouldn't take me were I wanted to go please e-mail me princessatr@earthlink.net so we can get this straightened out about who came out w/ this dryer idea, not trying to sound challenging or competitive dude just am curious and want to get the facts straight. anyways repost or e-mail me and once again I appreciate your time. Thanks, Bank Robber |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-23-2000 05:12 PM
So I see you are correct at least as far as the CAT is concerned,very well than let it be known that I am not the first to post about this idea(at least give me credit as being the one who is going to bring this idea into the night) it was Cat and as far as I'm personally concerned only THE CAT, I will however fully participate in bringing this idea to full light by doing a reaction w/ enough bottles to do 1500-2000g reaction, doing a complete write-up and last but not least making sure that everyone knows it was the CAT who first came up w/ this idea. And now that you've posted Scwam you've helped add some credibility to my and anybody elses write-up of this method, thank you. anyone still doubt me, I will be trying soon, ohh so soon. |
| scwam Hive Bee |
posted 01-23-2000 09:24 PM
I especially want to know your results since a friend of mine enjoys this method alot using 02 filled bottles. |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-23-2000 09:43 PM
Scwam I posted what I thought you would be looking for from Methyl Man, hope I didn't sound like I was imposing or taking somebody elses ? e-mail if I can help you anymore w/ not-amination princessatr@earthlink.net or if you want your own recomendations (after I do successfully & soon) for NOT-2L COKE THING your pal, bankrobber |
| Bright
Star Hive Bee |
posted 01-26-2000 02:44 PM
Bank- You have most of the nuances of the reaction completely wrong. 1. Benzoquinone is not the source of the oxygen. The water is. Benzo just removes the hydrogens, thus forming hydroquinone. 2. The benzo-wacker doesn't need that much agitation ... the O2 wacker needs it. 3. The Cat did come up with this 'dryer' method at least a year ago ... but the problem was that A. The heat was a problem, B. You need to re-fill the 'air' with O2/air fairly often and C. The dryer would break the valve off. 4. Adding H2O2 to the mix results in one thing ... a volcano (not-me figured this one out) 5. Lets not even go into trying to shake, and refill 5 coke bottles, the logistics of depressurizing->deflateing->Pressurizing->shaking every ~10 minutes with five bottles is too much. 6. How are you gonna use 'constant' agitation, especially when you have to pressurize and repressurize? 7. You don't like CuCl2 but do like benzoquinone? (For those of you who HAVE handled benzoquinone know what a @#$^@!^ mess that shit is ... ) You really need to do one synth. Perhaps then you can 'modify' something, but not likely. Proposing procedures, and modifications are something that only experienced people need to think about. The fact of the matter is that not only can you not distinguish one procedure from the other, but you are confusing all the procedures. Its people like you that try to 'pump up' a new method without trying it, and then in turn discourage NewBees when they try the method, and it doesn't work. Why you offered your 'pointers' to scwam in the General Discourse folder ... Perhaps you should sit back, read, absorb, experiment, ask questions, etc. You need to crawl before you can walk, or run. Now, I'm not telling you to go away. If you have a genuine interest in Chemistry then you can stay, but you need to calm down and experiment before you 'propose' anything. Dig it? |
| Methyl
Man Hive Bee |
posted 01-26-2000 09:13 PM
Q. How do you know when a young newbee is delusional/his ego is out of control? A. When he begins offering "pointers" to bees clearly more knowledgable than he. We know you mean well, but you have to look at what you're saying. The veterans around here (and there's a lot more of them than you think) are SO sharp, they can tell instantly what someone's experience/knowledge level is (and a lot of other attributes) by the way they write. So while you may give a few people the impression that you know exactly what you're talking about, the majority will figure you out immediately. So why not surrender your ego, stop the boasting, and admit that you need more seasoning. Help will come to you in abundance at that point. Humility works here. Brashness is pretty much useless. (You want to give Sumerian some pointers... hee hee.. that's funny.) |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-28-2000 10:42 PM
BS not to sound like a dick(I say this because your knowledge is clearly superior to mine,and at all times I recognize your superiority ) but I never said a word about re-pressurization or any pressure being added at all, and I've already clearly dismissed that H2O2 thing a long time ago. But your definitely right about that oxygen coming from the water(sorry folks) instead of p-bezoquinone. I would never waste time trying to repressurize 10 2 L. coke bottles(especially because it isn't necessary w/ p-bezo at all) and I've worked around p-bezoquinone for the last year and haven't had any kind of mess(BR ain't sure what kinda mess your describing) and was easy and perfected 1'st time.Anyways I mean no disrespect or am trying to come off as a smart ass(beleive me you've been around a lot longer, I recognize this at all times) BS just wanted to clarify this whole pressurizing thing.Oh by the way gang I'm currently as I speak working this whole idea out and will be giving a complete post after several experiments have been conducted, and I have the proof I need to be taken serious, thats why I haven't been postin' as much, but I will make my posts worthwhile to you guys if it's the last thing I do on this earth, gotta go, much love, BANKROBBER.(MEN AT WORK) |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-28-2000 10:52 PM
one quick last thing gang BS is right that the b-wacker doesn't need that much agitation(mag. stirring has always been very promising) but won't fuck anything up.it will sufficiently mix, and that's all that's needed. |
| ChemHack Hive Bee |
posted 01-31-2000 01:46 PM
BankRobba, Chill man, I wasn't trying to be a smartass to ya. My warning about the danger of even a little bit of liquid vaporizing inside a 2Litre bottle was only given as sincere reminder of what can happen if you are careless. I once did an exothermic rxn inside a sealed 2Litre bottle and I almost lost my eyesight. I'm damned lucky that I can see today. I was not careful to control the temperature and a few millilitres vaporized. We all know that a mole of gas occupies a volume of 22.4 Litres of at STP and even more when the temp is up a bit. Needless to say the 2Litre bottle was an unrecognizeable blob of plastic after it went off. It was only less than a metre from my face and I wasnt wearing eye protection. I'm a damned fool. The explosion sounded like a gunshot. I was blind for about a week but Im OK now. Take care, |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-31-2000 02:40 PM
hey chem hack, thanks man I realy needed to hear that, sometimes I feel so despised around here, that I feel as if I shouldn't even be here, your kind words wont go unnoticed, and you are a true friend, once again thank you, your true friend and ally, EVIL ASS' BANKROBBER ps- i know you aren't supposed to re-post to just say thanks, but i
realy feel I needed to |
| Xtract Hive Bee |
posted 01-31-2000 08:54 PM
How many of these people are Fman? You could see it a mile away! He is trying to get you for the only reason of getting you! This is his way of learning !! The hard way!! |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-31-2000 09:29 PM
I hope your not talking about me, cuz' if you are your ERRRRRR! very wrong |
| chemstupid NewBee |
posted 01-31-2000 11:08 PM
you're stupid bank robber... why do you propose agitation for a method that doesn't use agitation |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 01-31-2000 11:12 PM
Oh yeah dude i'm from la. county where's your homeboy(f-man) from, I'm a loco vato from around the way, I doubt that your claims are anywhat valid, q'ation if you disagree, but I have never heard of F-man and am still confused as to what the hell you mean, ps- I'm not F-man, wether you believe it or not, think whatever you want, but your just loco if you disagree |
| chemstupid NewBee |
posted 01-31-2000 11:13 PM
the dryer thing ain't impossible but what a waste of money y don't you go play football with the vessel.. that'll be sufficient agitation or maybe you could hold a couple, go inside a huge tire and tell them to push you down a hill. |
| chemstupid NewBee |
posted 01-31-2000 11:18 PM
all your "improvements" have been refuted. not to make you feel bad but, please don't confuse the newbies with your BS (bright star) "improvements" |
| Bankrobber Hive Bee |
posted 02-01-2000 09:42 AM
chemstupid you realy dont make a lot of since considering the fact that I've done it, it works, how's that a waste of money. please dude if your going to repost make it worth my time, and explain your thoughts a little better, I hate just hearing ridicule w/ no actual intelligence. Yeah dude br can't figure you out considering the fact that you dont explain the waste of money factor, and the fact that he got his b-wacker ideas from STRIKE exclusively, definitely next time elaborate more so I can figure out just what your "informative" point is. take care CHEMSTUPID |
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